deem, why should they get forgiveness? >> there is the fine tuning of that argument when you talk about taxing people with more money, giving potentially a give away or a gift in a way doesn't square. it also only appeals to one sub section of the voting electorate. it's a big one, many get college debt, but as we saw, that has better numbers when it comes to people who don't have college degrees. they wouldn't have that debt. there is questions both about it is benefiting the most comfortable among us and it is also ignoring an issue that appeals to people on the lower end, the poverty end of the middle class section. what's his plan for that? >> it is, it's an issue not talked about that much in washington. i'm one of seven. the other siblings, they have their children. it's a big deal. the issue, itself, whether this is the specifics. this is an issue that doesn't get talked about. out in america it matters. >> it has a residual effect. if you have student loans, you