one, you have to be specific in your answers. it's not going to fly to try to skirt a question. it comes across poorly. obvious lip the moderators will go back at you. beto o'rourke is a perfect example. the other pieces, the moderators will go right at the kearns on their vulnerabilities. it's quite predictable, but if your mayor pete's team, you should by prepared to talk about the shooting this week. if you're biden's team, you should be ready to talk about buddying up with segregationists. the third thing i would say is they need to find ways to jump in. tonight i would say trump is going to be much more present earlier, because biden will want to make him more present. the candidates need to be prepared for that and figure out ways and be prepared to jump in with their best trump contrast that will help them draw themselves out. >> karen, it wasn't just