to add to a bill to make it to -- so courts could not order busing so the justice department could not. and biden was very supportive of that effort. so he came on this program we had called "newsmakers" that we found in the archive. he sort of explained his position at length which was he, you know, as we just heard, he's a liberal on civil rights but opposed busing as a way to desegregate schools. and he had a long history on this. in the 1970s, he had these legislative efforts that pretty -- that mostly failed where he worked with some segregationists, wrote them letters asking for their support, actually, to, you know, get -- to stop federal government efforts to bus. >> and so i'm trying to understand, though, why. i think a lot of viewers at home are asking, you know, why didn't he want busing for it to be court ordered? >> yes. >> does he explain himself, what's the context? >> what's so interesting about this video, and we posted the