whole segment on cnn.com, if people want to watch it, is he explains his reasoning behind it, and he says he thinks busing makes sense when you have black students and white students living on the same block, to bus them to the same school. what he was opposing and he had a lot of constituent pressure in the '70s and '80s back in delaware, what he was arguing was that when you have people living long distances, it didn't make sense to bus them in to the same school district. he said it raised all sorts of problems and he said for the issue of desegregation, he thought busing was the least effective way to do it. >> and is there any evidence that you have uncovered that suggests his position on this has evolved? >> that's what's kind of interesting about this because at the debate, he sort of stood by his record, but the way in which he described it was a little bit misleading. he said i, you know, i didn't oppose busing, i opposed, you