it's not like it's somebody come out of the blue didn't know anything. it's easy to go back, 40, 50 years, take it completely out of context. the whole thing about race and bussing. you know, i think if you take a look our positions aren't any different as we're finding out. >> we want to bring in errol lewis, political commenttator, arlette signs, who has followed joe biden on the campaign trail, and joe lockhart, former press secretary under president bill clinton. great to see you. thank you for being here early on this friday morning. joe, that was joe biden explaining himself about how -- sounds like he was surprised by the attack coming from kamala harris. mostly he took it personally, that he didn't think that she should be going after him. he did later get into the nuance of bussing. and clarified his position that he was against the federal mandate but not against the voluntary style bussing that she ended up going to school as a result of in berkeley.