>> wolf, nathat's bologna. t president has no real interest in citizenship. they understood if they threatened a question on the census, that would create fear. fortunately, the courts have changed that effort back. that's not my words. the supreme court said in legal language that the administration was lying about why they wanted the citizenship, so the good news it's not going to happen. but the bad news it's been out there long enough that at least part of the president's objective has been achieved. there's concern out there in immigrant communities, which sometimes are communities that don't have access to as much information as other communities, so there's already a fair amount of fear out there. but make no mistake, this was not about gathering data on u.s. citizens. this was yet another -- by the way, along with a piece about raids this weekend, another way to scare our immigrant communities. >> on that point, do you think it's safe for immigrants here in the united states to participate in the census? >> of course it's safe for