time talking about the america donald trump wants to destroy and the more about the america they want to create. that's the danger. he is so expert the president at saying and doing outlandish things that make everybody stop in their tracks and react. if you're reacting to him, you're never getting your own message out. that's the real danger. the trap the democrats are in. >> that's correct. i agree with every word. >> it's one of the dangers -- difficulties in reporting. do you focus on every statement that's not true because then you just wind occupy -- after a while people shut it out. >> he's a reality tv star. it has to be about trump. many i advice has been talk about trump for a moment. and then pivot. pivot to what we're good at. healthcare. he's terrible at healthcare. we're good at education. he's terrible. we're actually good at creating