he won the election. it's over. but you heard them today again and again, where's the proof it was connected to russia? where's the proof with wikileaks? you heard the president say wikileaks, it's fake news. why resist the interference? >> it seems to be a substitute in the minds of many and even you did it in the lead in with russia collusion. i don't buy that one. i mean, i think the president is right to say that the russia collusion thing, if what you're talking about the proof of a conspiracy -- >> but i'm not. and i think it's an important distinction. >> we went through this drill at the early stages. i tried to say early on the democrats were saying we're going to show collusion. what's collusion? collusion doesn't have any meaning? >> we agreed on that on this show early on. >> i think the president is right to say that the russian collusion narrative was a hoax. >> all right. here's the distinction.