their opportunity to expose it. you could say cory booker was looking for that moment last time around. i think the difference here is he's telegraphing his move a little bit whereas kamala harris sat on that and waited for the right moment in the debate. what the biden folks have shown you is that they're ready. they had a pretty detailed pushback already prepared for cory booker, talking about his record as newark mayor and what they also did was put everybody on notice they're not going to be beat up on, kind of like the former vice president was last time. so it will be really interesting to see whether or not the other candidates decide to back off or decide to be more aggressive with the former vice president. >> do you think it's a mistake to telegraph that punch? because if you don't land it properly, you're let down. >> i see both sides. cory booker has established a subplot for the debate, which is this battle over justice reform