deductibles, so they'll be laying less. >> so is the former vice president incorrect? >> well, obviously health care is not free. we pay for it through premiums and out of pocket expenses. in canada it's paid through taxes and we'll have to do that. >> the debate strategy in a new memo that they issued this weekend, the strategist writes he's going to draw contrast where there are policy disagreements like health care. booker, jill brand, harris and warren all have signed onto bernie sanders health care for all. that's a non-starter for joe biden. you're not going to be on the stage with him because of the luck of the draw. >> that is disingenuous on the part of joe. if i raise your taxes hypothetically by $8,000 and i lower the health care costs that you're now paying with premiums and deductibles that are now $12,000, you're $4,000 in the good. we are the only major country on earth that does not guarantee