finely calibrated dial. he can hang around at 1 and 2 and he can do 9 and 10 where he's blasting people back. but sometimes he does land in the middle. and you can overtorque yourself. you don't want to be, he doesn't want to get pumped by any of the candidates but he also doesn't want to -- i think what gloria said is so important. he wants to look big. like the commanding figure in the race. >> and not just policies but vision. >> yes. a unifying figure. >> stick around. things are about to start here in the hall. it will start happening on stage. also, the national press secretary for kamala harris' campaign will join us and talk about the match-up versus joe biden and others tonight. here's your buick sir.