shouldn't you just be tough? >> i did. it does raise the question will he -- i'm sure they have rehearsed and pushed and understand where some -- or most of the attacks are coming from. this is where reality hits preparation and you don't know how people will react in the moment. he has to be careful not to overreact, punch down, look smaller rather than bigger but still be tough. it's a balancing agent. >> you know his benefit this time is he kind of knows what to expect more than he did last time. so he's prepared i would assume. he's got great people doing it. he's prepared for everything. he's prepared to respond and the question i have is does he take on as you were asking before, does he decide to go after kamilla? >> that has to be the proxy, the substance of health care, this is why i should lead the party and be your leader because i have a better plan on health care. let me explain this to you. that will be through harris but the target is warren and sanders. >> it's time.