witnesses precesented. the grand jury will see the evidence and they will likely present evidence from the forensic expert, as well as other charts and summaries of documents so that's why it going to take awhile but i would not -- so that doesn't necessarily mean that there will be charges, but broadly speaking to your point, usually particularly in fraud cases a prosecution brings an indictment to a grand jury to vote on it, the grand jury will usually vote to indict. >> the grand jury is reportedly going to sit for six months and hear other cases besides the former president. can you expect a certain, you know, in terms of tile meline h, is there anyway to know the timeline on the trump relate ordinary trump organizational related material may be? >> no, it's very hard. they can extend the grand jury. one thing i would caution your viewers, though, anderson, this