to provide advice to give him the distance essentially -- one area removed from being able to say that here was my specific intent, here was my directive. it makes it a more challenging, not impossible, case. you look for weissleberg who can provide information about the intent of the person who might be your larger target. weissleberg already is a pretty large target. if he weren't attached to former president trump, the head of a huge organization like this and having that capacity as a cfo and other information about the finances is a very large fish. but if you have a bigger target in mind or a wider-reaching organization and investigation, you want those leverage points to secure the answer to the question you've now asked. one person's able to provide when the direct target does not provide the contextual clues and maybe direct evidence if somebody has not had a text message trail. former president trump didn't have that. that's why you look for somebody