and there is information that might be contained in the text messages, certainly it's -- it would be proper in a different universe to go after and seek information from them. the simple fact is this -- i hesitate to say it's completely -- we don't know what might have been there. but, look, we do kind of know based on everything that we know about donald trump and the trump justice department and what he sought from the attorney general and senior leadership there that we have every reason to be suspicious of this long standing pattern. it breaks my heart to say why are we surprised? i know we're not. but this is certainly not the way investigation law enforcement or the federal government ought to be working. >> and what is notable here, jim, attorney general barr was asked about this from then senator now vice president kamala harris. she specifically asked not once but i believe twice has anyone from the white house or the president directed you on any investigations and notably at