meeting, ahead of it as he's at the nato summit, the one official described it as what he's looking for is a stable and constructive relationship with russia, but also saying that we'll respond in the face of russia's harmful activities. and i'm trying to figure out what really is possible here. what's stable and constructive? because it's not like -- the u.s. is never not having to respond to harmful actions by russia these days. >> that's right. so stable and constructive is different than we're going to reset relations. we're going to have some form of glass notes. remember that phrase from early in the -- after the fall of the berlin wall. that we're going to develop a friendship. what he's saying is, you know, all we want to develop are some guardrails to keep us from escalating into a worse conflict. so that's part of the problem. but the second problem is that while we have done many things to the russians, mostly financial sanctions after they annexed crimea in response to