this belief in a pedophile ring, et cetera. really, what this is all about right now, and i think what the thrash right now is about is it's about the big lie. it's about the election. qanon believers talk less about the ring of pedophiles and satanists and it's more about the election being stolen, and they are being told that every single day by certain segments of the media and, of course, by the former president. and, look, it can be difficult to try and put yourself in the shoes of a qanon believer, but some people genuinely, genuinely believe this stuff. if you believe that your democracy, that american democracy has been stolen from you, then you can see it's not too many jumps to justify violence. >> so, greg, how difficult is this for the fbi when you have it growing at a speed you say we've never seen before, and yet there is no kind of technical public leader to the movement. it's not like al qaeda, for