issue. but the problem is that this shows weakness. navalny -- i apologize, i'm getting feedback here and it's making it hard for me. so as you know recently, bellingcat just put out a report saying that the same people who tried to murder navalny in russia also went after an opposition poet. as far as i'm concerned, this shows the weakness of putin inside russia. the fact that he's so concerned about these people that he's willing to murder them and jail them, i think it's going to be up to biden to bring this up, to make it clear that it's unacceptable to the west, but he's going to have to understand that putin is going to push back against this. but that doesn't mean he shouldn't discuss it. >> so it's a great point he's going to push back. there is a whole bunch of people related to navalny in that entire incident -- i don't mean