let's just talk about it. the bleach moment. the -- you know, light inside and outside the body, whatever. before it was clear who would win in 2020, she told us that she wanted -- that -- she told us who she wanted to be president. what -- she told you who she wanted to be president. what did she say? >> well, she looked me in the eye. she knew i was there to talk about, think about whether there was potential preplanning for a transition. and she said, i hope a certain person wins. she locked eyes with me. and it wasn't hard to imagine why that was the case. you know, she went from the white house darling, to being replaced by scott atlas. and anybody who thought that they didn't like deborah birx, they just hadn't had a chance to meet scott atlas, yet. >> when you saw her at the end of october, 2020, you write that she was, quote, downright scared. talk to me about that, andy. >> she knew we had a big wave coming.
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