good soft legal i don't take on major jobs for new clients he and his team work hard but there's only six of them. as i get to the last year the market has been so busy that we really need three times as many people but we don't have them i can't get anybody to come you know given to him. if you're. his right hand man is his son lucas. them and i'm fond of. it's great to leave work in the evening and see something you've made teachers for instance don't immediately see the results of what they've been doing all day but i can leave a construction site and say i made that and then years later i'll pass by and say look i did that roof. he wants to pass on his enthusiasm by giving high school students a chance to see what he does he'd like to take on some apprentices and the business