think they are doing and i don't think it accomplishes that. >> one theory is that -- i think it makes sense, earmarks are an instrument of log rolling and you get a whopper bill that has all kinds of stuff in it that you might be able to rally people against because it is so excessive. but, if individual members have got their little projects they've promised their home district or state in the bill though it isn't adding to the overall amount they are going to be more inclined to support it. and that is a lot about how the appropriations process works, you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours. >> chris: i want to break in here. >> pretty soon you can pass anything. >> chris: this is a subject i want to talk to you about, brit, all week. the co-chairman, you have talked about the national debt for a lot of months and it is a big concern of yours and we had co-chairs of the debt commission come up -- out with their plan and i want to put out a brief outline: