of this intervention. i think it is ill founded and going to war in a third muslim country when we are neglecting afghanistan and iraq, higher priorities. i also was skeptical of this intervention. my frame is, if we are going in we have to make sure we don't own this conflict the way we do own afghanistan and iraq. >> who going to own it if america doesn't own it? [ talking over each other ] >> they need to be utilizing what they have -- [ talking over each other ] >> sean: one at a time, hang on a second. go big, go home. i want to add one wore. and win. if we are going in and he says publicly, the president of the united states told the world multiple times, gadhafi must go. if gadhafi doesn't go, how does america look in the eyes of the world? i would say we look like we failed and lost. >> no. he's been very clear about saying we want gadhafi to go.