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hand here to play. public opinion is strongly against raising the debt creel even if there are cuts. second, mcconnell in the senate has an accident idea of getting real cuts now for the next year or two which then in the future years by lowering the baseline of spending essentially repeated every year so it's real money in the future. lastly, i think boehner had a brilliant idea of this matching every dollar of debt ceiling increase with a dollar spending decrease. it's understandable. it's a good demand. everybody will accept as reasonable one. it puts obama in a box. if he wants a small -- if he is only going to agree to small cut in spending, only going to get a small debt ceiling increase? which means he has to vote on it again between now and election day. the last thing he wants to do. >> bret: so chuck, is there some element of disingenuous when the administration or top democrats in congress talk

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