wouldn't effect anybody in the program and we're calling for, paul, another thing, means test part of the program. i don't like means testing philosophically, but given the hole we're in and bad choices we're facing, we have to do this and look the american people in the eye and say, liao, look, if you're wealthy, what they get each year, if you're middle income or poor, you will. is that perfect. no, these are the types of things we'll have to do if we tell the truth and identify the problems truthfully, and if we're not able to do that, we're not willing to say it and implement it, we're wasting our time. any dufus can go to washington and maintain the status quo, that's not why i'm running, i'm running to fix the problems. >> you haven't decided what age would be a fair retirement age right now? >> well, we're working on that, but we'll have the details out shortly, it won't affect anybody in retirement or close to retirement. >> what about the argument you'll hear from your opponents if you, if you have, it's fine if you sit at a desk