interest rates were down. >> eric: you know who is buying it? the most bizarre thing in the world. wall street occupier, capitalism and all that. you should be really mad at obama because they opened the discount window. here is what they did. given the bank the ability to go to the federal government. borrow money at zero, free and turn around and buy treasurys you're pointing out. then we, the taxpayer pay them 3% interest. so we're handing over 3% on literally hundreds of billions of -- >> dana: econ 220. [ laughter ] >> eric: all right. dana, what is your take on the growth? >> dana: we need to grow at 5% or more to catch up to where we were and do it for several years. the european situation is still unknown. the white house did it right politically. it's not good enough. that is better than what they did early on, early on in the administration they had a good week in the stock market. vice president biden said here