a former democratic campaign manager. both are cohosts of "the five". how big a deal is this sphwhob. >> i've known bail daley for a long time, he was chairman of the mondale campaign that i managed and he's not the kind of guy that gets pushed out. if this was going to be shakeup he'd be gone. he wouldn't stay around for the sake of -- without being dramatic, for the sake of being in this campaign work and i really think this is what it's about, the campaign people have gotten more in mode, pluf came into the white house, his view is directed at direction, daley is policy. i think this is a big part of this. martha: put rouse is taking over those responsibilities, he was brought in as an interim person after rahm emanuel left and daley took over for pete rouse and i
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