i don't think as much as san forum. both of them might have use and money enough to move forward. >> mary katharine ham is discounting newt gingrich this evening. is that right? >> i think he rode his wave and it fell off precipitously. >> bill: i was surprise about the fall-off juan. >> yeah. >> bill: as i said people engaged in this process know newt gingrich. he has been around. everything he has done -- i figured if you are going to get on that gingrich train, you already know who the conductor is. and but all of a sudden, in a space of a week, the whole thing blows up. that has been the single most stunning thing to me this political season. i will give you the last word, juan. >> well, i have got to tell you. you know what? bill and o'reilly and i agree. it's stunning to me. this is lamb shakespearian tragedy. the long knives have come out from his fellow republicans who worked with him in washington who said he is reckless.