are oftentimes children or the dependents for whom the food stamp was initially intended. but most important to remember that most grocery store chains do not commit this kind of fraud. the violaters tend to be small, independent stores, and the closer those stores lean towards selling primarily liquor and cigarettes, the more likely they are to commit fraud. most are, most that are found committing fraud are barred from participation, and they must also pay restitution. but there tends to be a lot of recidivism. that corner store may go out of business but often is bought by someone affiliate with the the old owner who applies fraudulently to participate in the program again and many of the panelists today described the need to ramp up scrutiny of the food stamp application program. that's where a lot of the fraud is committed. jon: i think all the taxpayers out there would like to get to the bottom of that and crack down. doug mckelway, thank you. >> sure thing. thank you. >> for us to take military action unilaterally as some have
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