your sons in very tragic ways. melvin, you lost your son to radical islam and now to prison, and darris, you lost your son to a shooting. it's hard for me to understand how the two of you can sit there shoulder to shoulder given the way that your lives have intersected through your sons. how can you do that? >> well, melvin and his family are as much victims as we are. 10:19 he lost his son. at 10:19 i lost my son. the tragedy of it is goes unrecognized that this was an act of terror. for me, i can speak, and there's a degree of sympathy for me because i've lost my son. melvin has been speaking out since the day of the shooting trying to identify what caused his son to do what he did. >> melvin, tell me about the day on june 1st, 2009. you got a phone call, and you