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notice i said, "blob" and not "bob." >> andrea: waiting for you to slip. >> greg: isn't it hard to argue these days against big government? because you're arguing against an illusion of free stuff. people just -- >> andrea: they love free stuff. >> greg: they love free stuff. i think celebrities run for goodie bags because in the goodie bag there is millions of stuff. >> andrea: everybody loves free stuff. but they're not telling you that eventually you pay for the free stuff. medicaid portion you talk about a lot, that the justices struck down, if the states opt out of medicaid, all of those patients are going to be jumped in the exchanges. that means they will get huge and costly. not only do we pay for the new people in the system, the exchanges will be shifted to the federal balance sheet. another cost. we have to pay for it. >> greg: bob, i continue you an expert in the debate between short-term pleasure and long-term benefit. every choice you make is for short-term pleasure.

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