minorities, he's destroying the people who are on lower income level. >> but that wasn't the message, david, that he did it at the convention. by the way, i think it's a better message -- you are hitting on a much better message than the one the romney campaign did in tampa. but what i'm saying is the mistake is the takers versus makers. because people on veteran benefits aren't takers. >> that's not fair, joe. stop. >> his mistake is -- you guys are the ones characterizing it as takers versus makers. of course, you are continuing and perpetuating the dependency class which is exactly contrary to the american dream. >> somebody who is taking a mortgage deduction is busting their rear to pay that mortgage. they aren't on the taker or anything. >> that's right. >> the language romney used i think is the mistake, not the