not only what they say but involved in prepping for the debate. i talked to former polster for former jimmie carter. pat helped tod break it down. walter mondale in the preparation to debate ronald reagan. >> we set up a couple of podiums. how closely do they try to stage everything in the debate. >> everything is negotiated and the whole one ups is how cold is the studio versus how warm and most importantly as i learned in 1984. is lighting. reagan people got the lighting set and mondale walks out . he has huge bagsurn his eyes. >> did they have a chance to check out the lighting. >> they did and they missed it. one of the things that you mention is just how far apart