more democratic than most people think is going to turn out on election day. >> bill: rove is also analyzing votes that have already been cast. he sees a big difference between 12 and 8. >> obama is ahead in many of these key states with early voting but not as far aheads as he was four years ago. that reflects the enthusiasm and intensity level obama voters less than four years ago. if you look at the romney as it exists today not the way it exsixthed a few months ago and at the beginning the tway is now. look at the crowds, all those things, crowds are not a great way. >> bill: antidotal. >> good sign of intensity. there is a lot of the intensity on the republic side. that matters on election day. >> bill: all the polls say that that the obama supreme sups are much more engaged than -- i mean, the romney supporters are much more engaged than obama supporters. >> problem that disengaged