i'm surprised. i know jeff gordon. we used to live in the same building. his wife is nice. i'm telling you, super nice, mellow and low key. something must have done really bad. >> dana: they said he had been ramming his car purposefully the whole season and he had had enough. that's why he went ahead -- >> juan: what is striking to me in the strategy. he had to slow down and wait to make this happen. and then start this. >> eric: this is a team, juan. you know, none of the drivers drive alone. they drive in teams. taking care of his teammates. compadres. shake and bake. >> dana: imagine if we resorted toed to physical violence on "the five" to differences. first, bob learned what it would be like on the dunk tank. but it doesn't seem like good sportsmanship to me. >> greg: i like how you act as what if we resort to violence. >> dana: i don't hit anybody.