christ. but he doesn't want to talk about that he wants to talk about how times have changed and basically everybody who doesn't agree with him has to get with the program, call it a holiday tree and then in these -- instances where prayer in school or moment of silence you have to go along with that too because a bunch of liberal judges will end up forcing that down the people's throat. and, bill, this is the reason that mitt romney should have talked more about judges during this election cycle. this is where it is all -- the action is in the courts. and conservatives are losing oftentimes in the courts because we're losing the presidential election. >> bill: i mean, look, you are a converted. laura converted catholicism. and i'm sure in the beginning when you were thinking about doing it you were attracted to the philosophy of jesus and how it was incorporated into the roman catholic church, how -- what the man did. there wasn't any catholic church when jesus was walking or when he was executed. all right? that came afterward. and a considerable amount of time afterward. but the philosophy of jesus attracts people and then they