>> brenda: john, do you agree good for the economy? >> yes, look good for the economy and look at gary b. this is beyond stupid. there are 25,000, professor, listen to this, 25,000 miles of pipeline right now that go across that carry all-time hazardous materials, fossil fuels and talking 250 miles we're adding to that. and to say all of that oil is coming down to our refineries is not going to add jobs, that's insane. >> brenda: told on a minute and-- >> okay, hold on, jonas-- >> look, it's a pipeline, it's not-- the whole idea is an efficient way to move stuff. and say truck the oil to the gulf, stupid way to do it it, but create more jobs. dirty canadian oil is not good for the environment to get it out of the tar pits, however, we can't stop it from leaving the tar sands. what's the most energy