transforms him. >> you talk about a conflict between jesus and religion. by religion, how do you define that. should we not go to church? >> yeah, yeah, in my northwest context, seattle, portland, that kind of area, religion is on the street for, you know, more the legalistic self-righteous type of thing, in no way would i say church, i am in fact, a huge believer in church and i go to church and on top of that, the church is more an organism. more about the body of christ and i don't want to take it that way i never want to believe i talk bad about christ's wife because i don't think it's going well for me if i-- >> probably, are you shocked by the reaction, 22 million views, my gosh, man. there are rock stars that would like to have 22 million people know who they are for heaven's sake. and he says he didn't always know jesus or talk about it or make you feel bad about what he said. i'm going to ask him how he found jesus he when we come