>> bill: i don't either. i think it's saber rattling. not like there is a bunch of miniature golf courses. >> that's a tragedy, i agree. >> bill: cammeron, so the president goes on easter sunday to the pastor, the presbyterian church and he says right wing people are racist and then the president leaves and he goes on easter egg hunt or basketball shots. if i were the president i would have said look, he says what he says. i didn't know what he was going to say. i don't agree with it and then, boom. leave it on. but then ed henry comes out and goes i haven't talked to the president about it. that's because henry doesn't want to talk to the president. >> jay carney. >> ed henry is our guy. who kicked his butt up top. jay carney. see, carney doesn't want to talk to him about it, right? >> of course not. carney knew that these questions were going to come. is he a former reporter. and been in the national news. and he and fairly significant staff of deputies spend hours trying to figure out owhat the press is going to ask and manage the press. they knew this was coming. it looks more like carney