that was what everybody was looking for and neil, they're forecasting aluminum demand to be up 7% in 2013, mostly because of airplane orders. remember, that's what this stuff goes into. building those airplanes and they are forecasting that there's going to be more need for it. that's somewhat of a good sign. >> we were talking in general scott, about how alcoa kicks off this parade. what kind of parade do you think it will be for companies the first quarter this year when all is said and done? >> kind of a lackluster one, neil, i think. i really -- look, yes, on the overall, say, earnings number, they did beat. on the top line, which is really the number that looks good to me, that's the revenue number. it doesn't look so good. as far as that's the number i like looking at. that tells you how well the company is doing, neil everybody can be on the bottom line with profit margins so high. that's a concern to me. if you look at aluminum alone,
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