stamps everything. >> many irs officials throughout this have just been pleading income pa tense. i didn't know what was going on. we did our job poorly. if she testifies that is probably what she is going to say. i didn't see it and didn't know this was going on. but i don't think that is going to fly. >> greta: you get the people -- i keep calling them rogue -- the people in cincinnati. lois lerner in d.c. and commissioner of the irs, shulman the one during the operative times. he testified that the read the press reports that people are saying they are being targeted. any information he went back to the office and picked up the phone and asked anybody to take a look at it at all at any time? >> what he said before congress is, yes, he found out about this when the audit was initiated and sort of left it at that. he said oh, well, they are looking into this so i don't need to have any conversations