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mary katharine says a high percent imagine of americans say secure the borders. but putting billions into it when we are talking about budget austerity and the anger at immigrants on the part of the hard right. >> where is my anger? i don't feel angry. i feel like i'm assessing the bill and asking if it's going to solve the problem you are alleging it's going to solve. >> it doesn't solve the problem when you have airplanes -- most of the people to overstay their visas. there are boats and airplanes and tunnels under that wall. if you want to reform an immigration system. but this fixation on the wall betrays anger at immigrants. martha: the majority of americans do want to secure the border. i don't think that's a radical

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