the self-defense groups down there, they're very strong on self-defense in that fellow. they have a very strong statute, very hard to get away from it. you just -- i didn't like the fact that zimmerman was told to stay in his truck, don't move, and he went out and certainly moved. but he's no angel. we know that. this is not a guy who doesn't deserve certain blame. the fact is, though, the jury made a decision based on the fact that there was no proof, no evidence and they brought the self-defense statute in, which is very, very strong in the state of florida. >> gretchen: it sounds like you disagree with the verdict. >> no, i don't disagree with the verdict. i just don't think that zimmerman is necessarily somebody that's going to heaven very quickly. >> brian: i just found the whole trial -- i mean, there was no intrigue to it. it's such tragedy on both sides. one guy's life is ruined, another kid is dead.