a fugitive inside russia, but the united nations, that they were being bugged. up to 80 embassies around the world. that's got to pose some question i would imagine the minds of our allies. your thoughts on it? >> the der spiegel article says espionage against the united nations took place in 2012, which i find deliciously ironic that the obama administration is spying on the united nations. here is what i think. any gathering of foreigners is a legitimate target for american espionage, unless we have agreement that precludes us from doing it. and any foreign government absent such an agreement that doesn't think we may be spying on them doesn't live in the real world. that's the way it is, doesn't bother me at all. i think this shows a fundamental point that snowden and his media friends are trying to prove. not to awaken americans about potential violations of privacy