>> first of all, steve is ignoring the other part of the proposal. their proposal cuts $40 billion out of food and nutrition programs on top of the cuts in november. more than half the households there are working households with kids or households with seniors who are not expected to work. and so you're actually sending a very bad message about work when you're actually cutting food support for families that are working. which goes to the category -- >> the proposal is getting beaten rather severely. he's saying able-bodied people. >> there's one that says you have to have training programs. which is fine except for the proposal also cuts resources for training programs in the states. at the same time, you have three people, three people looking for every one job in this country. >> quick response? >> first of all, chris is pretty good with numbers. okay? as a numbers guy. there are a couple numbers that i think are glaring. since this president took office, 6.7 million americans have entered into poverty.