what the va is talking about is a patchwork system where in a given case on a given day if they can't get an appoint they are allowed to go outside the system. that won't work because their entire record is in the va system. our veterans ought to be given the chance of getting all their care in a private system if they choose. bill: you have say the only way you think they will find a way to get out of this big mess is to go this route. do you still think that. >> i don't think the government can run the system. it's proven year after year it's not up to the task. they deliver the for federal employees and medicare. they ought to treat our veterans as well as our federal employees. bill: do you find anyone against