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tried to stop it. so this characterization that it is a rogue operation is completely false. it is a false narrative. and, frankly, we can't afford this kind of thing. jon: can't afford what, the release of the report? what do you think ability the idea now that these many years later the senate intel committee is going to put these documents out there? >> well, look, first of all, we have the hit that we're going to take in terms of morale, motivation in the agency. you want people to be aggressive, to push the envelope to save lives, and simultaneously they're going to have to worry about whether they're going to be criminally prosecuted or subjected to civil suit. then we have the hit we're going to take overseas. the next time we go to some foreign nation or foreign intel service in the dead of night and ask them to help us on something and assure them that it will be kept secret, they're going to point to this report and these disclosures and likely refuse to cooperate. and people are going to die as a consequence. jon: a sobering thought from

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