>> that's right. >> at that point though are they telling you about znu and the belief these bodies came down to earth and started inhabiting people and had to be gotten out with auditing and all that? >> not at all. in fact, if you were to go to the vast majority of scientology today, right now, they would not even know about that. >> why not? >> because it's kept secret. it's kept secret until you are "ready for it," which means you've made progress to a point where you are considered to be spiritually advanced enough to be able to deal with that material. now, other people will say the other view of that is until you've been caught in the trap well enough, nobody in their right mind would stick around once they read or heard that. >> uh-huh. >> hubbard -- >> founder of scientology.