evidence. you can call it with whatever you want. now the e-mail server is very relevant because now the proof is not available unless you have someone at the other end talking about it. just like they didn't report a lot of the income to the foundation we have to look at canada and their tax returns to find out how much money was coming in. >> was hillary clinton here willing to put our national security at risk for the financial benefit of her foundation and the benefit of her family? >> i can't answer that question but it really looks that way. why are you engaged in this kind of thing? why do you have this foundation? start a foundation. we'll get money in. we'll wheel and deal all the time. bill is making a half a million dollars for a speech involved -- >> which is more than what he usually got. >> but this interconnection