but can they make the case? brian, let's me start with you on that testimonial we just heard from that baltimore police officer, which starkly contrasts from what we heard from the state's attorney today. >> well megan, i've dealt with a lot of these cases out here in california and what i call mike's testimony tonight is the houdini defense for the police department. in other >> a freddie gray is detained. he's perfectly fine. we throw him in the van. after the first stop he's okay. the second stop he's still chitchatting. and then gee whiz all of a sudden we get to the police station, and he's dead. he's not breathing. we didn't do anything wrong. that's going to be their defense in this case megyn. but i'll tell you where there's going to be a problem. in this case it's almost like that deduction we learned in law school where you go to bed, the streets are dry. you wake up in the morning, the streets are wet. what does that mean? it rained. here freddie gray was perfectly healthy, megyn, before the