how many years. they are the withins that ruined the congos. >> the bongos -- the congos >> media memberth makers. >> i was referring to the rock band from the 80's. >> numbers with wings. >> the other thing about this there are so many canaries, we are having this debate now about the confederate flag. if you go to belfast, the protestants at belfast fly the american flag all over the city. >> really? >> they do indeed. >> you see these sort of icons in america painted. you don't see that in cuba. >> here we have icons like rivera nobody knows how awful this person is. yet we have jack bauer who is a symbol for america. he gets stuff done. >> i don't know about you but when i first read the story i